Eligames2009 wrote:Hello, For some reason the alternate overworld themes for mario and Luigi are not working. i can't hear a difference. i am using the files by Colines/Kid do.

my best guess is you are using a different patch. Mario World Original msu1, Mario World Plus msu1, and Mario World Plus Ultra msu1 are all three different patches that do slightly different things.

If Luigi is saying Mario's voice lines too, then you definitely have the right pcm set but wrong patched rom.

Do any of the patches support separate PCM files for with/without Yoshi?

zd4534 wrote:Do any of the patches support separate PCM files for with/without Yoshi?

No, we do not have that as at this time. That could be plausible but it would be insanely complex. Cubear and i looked into the idea once but dont desire to do it at this time as it would be very time consuming on both our parts. You have to do some major coding and create pcm tracks that keep the beat 100% even after looping a few times. It is plausible, but it will be really challenging. We might do this project, but we also might not. If we did, it would probably be during the summer as i would not attempt this at all until i have more time from being on summer break. Even then, not sure if it is worth the trouble it would be to do it. We will see.

Also, as far as MSU-1 is concerned, The Yoshi drum beats effect turning on and off just wouldn't work at all, as it wouldn't be possible to realistically keep both PCM tracks with drums on and off synced whenever the player rides/leaves Yoshi.

The simplest solution (but also time consuming) is hacking the APU and isolate the Yoshi drum channels from song tracks to have them working alongside MSU-1.

That would be very useful for echo effects too, as the way the patch is coded now, it turns off the SPC engine entirely, preventing the effect to be activated. So cave levels do not feature echo effects. For this one, I've actually got to implement this code snipet by Mattrizzle to make echo effects functional again. But this has the side effect of breaking SPC fallback completely, so this haven't made into the official release.

The best thing was if we had more MSU sound channels to also be able to substitute SFX. But I think this is technically impossible, at least for real hardware like sd2snes, since the MSU stream is restricted.

Isolating the drums in the APU is probably the best way to achieve this, as Collines suggests, but this wouldn't be synced with the msu stream... Ah well, it's a nice to have, but quite little so probably more trouble than the effort is worth.

Colines wrote:
The simplest solution (but also time consuming) is hacking the APU and isolate the Yoshi drum channels from song tracks to have them working alongside MSU-1.

I've done a little bit of looking into this, actually. It's completely possible but you'd still need to concern yourself with matching the tempo of the song to the original exactly..

Here's an example video I recorded some months ago of this solution (without MSU1 running)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgOIjfIMEnU

Cubear wrote:

Colines wrote:
The simplest solution (but also time consuming) is hacking the APU and isolate the Yoshi drum channels from song tracks to have them working alongside MSU-1.

I've done a little bit of looking into this, actually. It's completely possible but you'd still need to concern yourself with matching the tempo of the song to the original exactly..

Here's an example video I recorded some months ago of this solution (without MSU1 running)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgOIjfIMEnU

The songs pause when you pause and the level timers are only 2 and a half minutes. It would take a ton of trial and error but i could match up tempos for 2 and a half minutes. Like i said earlier, if Cubear and I ever decided that it is a thing we want to do i think we can do it. But it would take a lot of time on both our parts and i can not invest that time at the moment.

That appears absolutely awesome, cubear. Do you understand the AUP ASM btw? I never really wanted to deal with it and mostly I was try and error on my side to mute it, I admit.

Could you play your patch with msu to give me an idea how it is desynced and what needs to be achieved here?

I just NOP'd out the control codes on the SPC700, but I have learned some of how it works... mostly through trial and error.

This will result in a hard mute patch, but I could convert my notes into a patch if people would like to test.

The issue is that SPC channel 5 (the bongo channel) does have some bleed over to other instruments in specific songs... so those songs may still need to be detected and not played via SPC

Last edited by Cubear on Tue 20 Dec 2022 - 22:27; edited 1 time in total

i applied my notes and created a patch from it for testing purposes.  

Code:

https://mega.nz/file/6GYBlYJJ#avR2rLwOlIA_oYyXtcIF0jB53hDVTqQkjw7ODNVkEhk

Tracks that I already see that need filtering to do the old mute to prevent audio errors: victory, castle, boss battle, title screen.. though really anything that isn't a level theme proper should be done with the old mute still

ASM file is for Conn's patch as its simpler to work with, but the section is pretty clearly demarcated in case anybody wanted to test it in the msu+ patch from this thread.

hey all,

thanks again for all your great work. can someone explain how the SA-1 patch would be helpful for the regular/vanilla gaming experience? I used a custom ASM file with vocal SFX off and overworld music mod off so that I could enjoy the QoL fixes with a higher quality OST, but am wondering if I need SA-1. also used AQUA MIDI pcm pack, just redid the numbering so it would match the MSU-1+ track list

Vanilla Super Mario World has massive slowdowns when too many enemies on screen, it has nothing to do with vocals/msu or whatever. Just to make it faster.

thanks for your reply. one other thing i was trying to fix was having the "time running out / hurry!" sound effect along with a sped up version of the song. the solution i came up with is to have songs that are 300 seconds long that incorporate the "hurry!" sound effect and then speed up after that. however, there are some variations in the levels that have 400 seconds or 200 seconds for time limit. is there anyway to have the song play on specific levels, instead of just a song for all levels in the world? thanks.

grandosegood wrote:thanks for your reply. one other thing i was trying to fix was having the "time running out / hurry!" sound effect along with a sped up version of the song. the solution i came up with is to have songs that are 300 seconds long that incorporate the "hurry!" sound effect and then speed up after that. however, there are some variations in the levels that have 400 seconds or 200 seconds for time limit. is there anyway to have the song play on specific levels, instead of just a song for all levels in the world? thanks.

Yes! You are in luck, that is what our Mario World MSU-1 Plus Ultra patch does, give every single level it's own theme. Cubear and i made that about 2 years ago.

https://www.zeldix.net/t2535-super-mario-world-msu-1-plus-ultra-130-tracks-total

Also, your idea is actually pretty smart. I was considering revisiting that sound track and maybe i will try that too (maybe, it would make the download size be even more massive).

i could do a custom version quite easily that separates level songs by length of level timer. no need to have a unique track for every single level if it's all the same song

Cubear wrote:i could do a custom version quite easily that separates level songs by length of level timer. no need to have a unique track for every single level if it's all the same song

according to the wiki, there are only a handful of levels that have different level timers, so having custom songs for just those levels would be ideal, then you could just the same "world" song in the rest of the levels in a given world

the wiki states:

In Super Mario World, one count of time is exactly 41 frames in the NTSC version and 35 frames in the PAL version. Most levels have a time limit of 300 seconds. Some levels, such as most Ghost Houses (except for the Choco-Ghost House and Valley Ghost House *which have 300 seconds*), Yoshi's Island 2, Donut Plains 1, Donut Plains 2, and #2 Morton's Castle, have 400 seconds. Switch Palaces, the Top Secret Area (in the GBA version only), and Funky have only 200 seconds, though it is possible to increase Funky's time limit by having Yoshi eat a Green Berry. Due to the timer's absence during the final battle, there is no time bonus for defeating Bowser.

The time limit of #3 Lemmy's Castle differs by region. It is 300 seconds in the Japanese version and 400 seconds in international versions.

edit: i added AQUA MIDI songs to the ultra plus pack, see the link
https://www.zeldix.net/t2535-super-mario-world-msu-1-plus-ultra-130-tracks-total#45027

hey all,
so, i made a pack for the ultra plus project, but took it down for a few reasons:
1) some songs were still loud in some places (my fault, not the creator).
2) i could not get the song speedup to match on some levels if you went underground or changed location within a level that triggered a new song.

the game uses sound effects for the "hurry up" jingle for 100 second level timer warning and "time is running out" jingle for the p-switch, so those will play over the music. the game will not speed up the music at the 100 second timer warning, nor will yoshi bongos play over the music if you have yoshi.

these are the aquamidi tracks, with the exception of the bower zoom out and bowser defeat (which came from jud6ment's packs). i adjusted levels in audacity and did normalziation for each one specifically, so hopefully they came out ok:

also, i set overworld music alt to off and 1p/2p vocal sfx to off as well via asm build

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eAyAHbnoG0t7pego_EDIy8XPA-x_-0Nn/view?usp=drive_link